Tuesday, 12 February 2019

DriveThruRPG Responds to Current Industry News


Thanks to everyone for your patience as we deliberated on the situation that has unfolded regarding Zak Smith (aka Zak Sabbath). At DriveThruRPG, we want to do our part to keep bad actors out of the roleplaying community, and we don’t want business relationships with such people. As such, you’d think there wouldn’t be much deliberation needed on our part. However, the situation posed a number of challenges for us to consider in terms of precedent and collateral impact on other parties.

I have decided that we will not accept future titles for sale on DriveThruRPG (or our other marketplaces) if Zak is a contributor on the title. If any publisher has a title-in-process to which Zak is a contributor and this policy would impact you financially, then we’d ask that you please reach out to us via the publisher services link to have a dialogue about that title.

For titles currently on our marketplace in which Zak is listed as a contributor, we have checked those publisher accounts, and none of these titles have us paying money directly to Zak. While it is likely that Zak does earn a royalty on some titles sold on DriveThruRPG, any such royalties would be paid directly by the publisher of the title, not by DriveThruRPG.

Further, whatever royalty Zak might get from any publisher on our store is unlikely to be the entirety of what we pay that publisher. We do not feel it’s fair to penalize financially those who worked with Zak in the past, including both publishers and possibly other contributors earning income from these titles. Therefore, we expect publishers to make their own decision to continue selling these titles or not, presumably after consulting with all other contributors.

For our part, we will be identifying all titles to which Zak contributed and diverting all of the revenue shares that DriveThruRPG might make from sales of these titles as a donation to RAINN (https://www.rainn.org/).

I’ll try to pre-emptively answer other possible questions below.


When this happened, why did you not suspend sale of Zak’s titles while you deliberated?When we expect that it will take us a few days to deliberate on a title reported for offensive content, our policy is to temporarily suspend sales of that title. In this case, though, it was not the content of any particular title under discussion, and we did not find any titles where we directly paid Zak for ongoing sales during our deliberation.

So DriveThruRPG is now banning certain creators? Will whoever the “outrage brigade” complains about next be banned as well?
We all share a responsibility for the health of our hobby. Any demographic measure we’ve ever seen on the roleplaying hobby shows women are under-represented. Things won’t improve if people shirk the responsibility to make our hobby inclusive.

Zak Smith has a long and well-documented history of behaviors antithetical to a healthy community. In light of recent allegations, which we find credible, we think our business and our hobby is better off without him, so we’re doing our part.

We already have a small list of other bad actors in the industry with whom we refuse to do business: people who have repeatedly abused crowdfunding platforms for personal enrichment, who repeatedly engaged in IP violations, who have repeatedly treated our staff or customers in unacceptably unprofessional ways, and so on. If you repeatedly act like a jerk (or worse, a predator), we won’t wait for other people to complain about you. We’ll just quietly stop doing business with you.

Why are you not banning his existing titles?
Because we don’t want to hurt other people who also contributed to those same titles just to diminish Zak. Banning those existing titles risks doing just that.

Thanks,
Steve Wieck
President
OneBookShelf / DriveThruRPG










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  2. > Zak Smith has a long and well-documented history of behaviors antithetical to a healthy community.

    So why act now? Why not act sooner?

    This is a weak response.

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    1. You can never act sooner than now.

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    2. This is probably a "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of scenario. Or more appropriately, it was a complicated situation which became very cut and dry after recent developments. Even still, it required a thoughtful response which is what OBS/DTRPG provided.

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    3. Because these allegations of sexual assault and abuse didn't happen sooner to act on, maybe?

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    4. If someone's actions are "antithetical" to the community you want, and you have proof of this via a "long and well-documented history", why is that not enough?

      Why did everyone turn a blind eye to a serial harasser, allowing him to bully and harass and abuse people online as he was doing in his private life? Why does it have to go this far for people to act?

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    5. Dude, let it go.

      Seriously.

      Should they have done something sooner? Probably. Did they have enough evidence to make a decision before? Certainly.

      Do their prior choices invalidate their current decisions?

      No.

      So step off and accept that they're moving in the right direction. No one is perfect, it's true, but we can't let that serve as an excuse to not try and do better.

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    6. Fucking hell Aaron, this is a win for the industry Celebrate the good instead of criticizing a company for not doing the right thing "well enough"

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    7. Once again, someone making Perfect the enemy of Good, and making it more about "I told you so" than about finally getting the right things done.

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    8. This isn't about that, Sean, and it's a disheartening that you'd think so. I am worried about how OBS will behave with the *next* bad actor. Will their "long and well-documented history" be ignored until some major allegation comes to light?

      Admitting turning a blind eye toward Zak's history and apologizing for it would go a long way toward improving confidence in what happens next time.

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    9. Because he was just being a jerk as far as anyone know. That's completely different from being a sexual predator.

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    10. They were pretty clear about why in the response. They have not titles that directly benefit him. Banning him earlier would have unfairly impacted other contributors. Which is why in progress works are invited to discuss their project. But now they have a clearly defined point to use as a basis to say no to future works.

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  3. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, OBS/DTRPG.

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  4. This is way to reasonable and to well thought out to be part of the internet.


    Thanks for that.

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  5. This is encouraging. Thank you for your measured response to these developments. I appreciate that you were all so deliberate and thoughtful about taking the correct action.

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  6. Please reconsider your approach for products where “he is not directly receiving money” but is clearly the lead author. Leaving those while cheering yourself for a forward ban on him is hypocritical.

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    1. I think they explained themselves very well. There is a real human cost to removing titles, the gaming industry is already financially difficult and people that don't have major author status find themselves in tenuous economic situations all the time. They drew a reasonable line, they're not going to pay him money directly and they're not going to accept any new works where he is a primary author. But they're also not going to punish the people that worked with him in good faith before they could have known being associated with him would make their income disappear.

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  7. You are still selling his signature product Vornheim. I recommend you go to his web page and find all his works that are front billing on it. Stop selling those, or at least provide a link to your statement pointing out that you will no longer do buisness with him.

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    1. "Why are you not banning his existing titles?

      Because we don’t want to hurt other people who also contributed to those same titles just to diminish Zak. Banning those existing titles risks doing just that."

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    2. Who do you think you are ? A justicar ? A Vigilante ?

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  8. Thank you for your response to this.

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  9. I fail to see how you are making a hobby more "inclusive" by banning people's works. None of his actual products are particularly offensive, is it just his name that so traumatizes people if they see it? People cannot opt to simply not buy his work? They need to be shielded by any mention of him by making him an unperson?

    Where does the line stop, once you've started banning? Everything by Lovecraft, or inspired by him, because he was racist? Anything involving Drow or Orcs, because they are symbols of racism?

    There was a recent kerfuffle, where many in the RPG community wanted to boycott James Raggi's work, not because its tasteless content, but because he posed with a photo of Jordan Peterson. Will that be a crime worthy of banning from DTRPG in the future? Of course it will. Maybe not this year, but in ten years, I'm sure you'll be stripping the store of anything problematic or not woke enough.

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    1. Because he is a rapist. Not 80 years ago. He is a rapist now, and, if it will be confirmed, he deserve to go to jail. Fuck his works

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    3. "Because he is a rapist." Citation needed

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  10. - DrivethroughRPG please provide us a response.

    *** Response ***

    - Unacceptable response, should have responded millions of years ago.

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    Just what people think a business is? There are implications in business that end up at at the doors and tables of common families, which is specially true for smaller businesses. If the response was "we don't like that behaviour and collectively think the author is a cunt but we can't afford the fight in a scenario where this goes to court" a lot of people would go apeshit, but it would still be a valid response for a situation in which many businesses find themselves everyday.

    DTRPG is putting their actual money and reputation as a business where their mouths are and I think that is to be admired.

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  11. OK people, I am a father and grandfather. When you make bad decisions in your life, aka "go out with bad actors and use drugs and alcohol...party....make bad decisions"...and keep making them, then that is on you! You live with those decision and move on. Why a business would decide to infect the "bad decisions" of a "goth" girl is a curiosity to me. Maybe the President of DriveThruRPG did something similar, so now he feels the self loathing and guilt and need to punish all those that are accused of (whatever) bad decisions that are there. We live in a world, where you live and learn. If I held accountable all those that wronged me, this world would be full of unemployed shamed ass holes. Live and learn...hopefully you learn quickly that living goth, doing drugs and drinking alcohol, is probably not a wise choice, but your choice. And certainly living with a d-bag drug dealer that abuses people, probably is on you, after you learn. Deal with it and move on. Being vindictive and revengeful will not get your bad decision back. There are no take backs or do overs!

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    1. That there is a grandpa-caliber opinion, all right. In a bad way.

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    2. Did you comment on the right post?

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    3. Apparently, he thinks that the abused women had it coming because they were goth and consumed hard cider. He's a dinosaur.

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    4. There is a certain point where you are no longer a victim, but an accomplice. When it involves years and actively helping the abuser to groom others, you clearly crossed that line.

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    5. This Vilvaldi person is over at Tenkar's Tavern defending the accused as well and trying to lay blame on the alleged victim. Pretty sure he's either a friend or flunky of the accused given his lengthy attempts to minimize the situation.

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    6. Blame bigotry, blame sexism, blame a system that is slow to recognise harm. Blame any of those things if you must but the only thing goths, as a whole, can be blamed for is looking different. Much like the rest of us geeks and nerds.

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  12. I'm a little non plussed about this especially since Drive Thru RPG states "long and well-documented history of behaviors antithetical to a healthy community" even though their are other companies still on their site selling books despite having a history of anti-ethical behavior towards the gaming community.

    Where exactly do they draw the line on this? Yes, it's admirable that they're no longer doing business with someone that harasses others in the greater gaming community. But if other businesses have a history of anti-ethical like harassment or stealing money from customers, behavior then why are they still on Drive Thru RPG?

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  13. Glad you took a measured, well-thought out approach before deplatforming Zak. I really do like the approach of considering the evidence, the potential impact on 3rd parties and the worry of setting a poor precedent for future examples that might be more muddy or vague in its negative (or even positive) impact.

    You are probably going to get a lot of people who are saying stuff like "Why didn't you just instantly ban him?" or "Why take so long to properly respond?" but its important that you don't act on knee jerk reactions. I would ignore them, people are generally too hasty in their enmity to consider that there should be some thought put into an action before executing it.

    I would implore you to continue this thoughtful avenue in the future, so that other shitty devs (whether on the personal or commerical end) can get their comeuppance for being shitty to customers, sexist, racist or overall being edgy.

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  15. Hello

    I am french and here in France we do not let the people make the job of the justice.

    Can you give proof than Zak S has a "long story" ? Your Sources ?

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    1. Justice (law in this case, you're using Justice incorrectly) brings you to jail.

      DriveThruRPG took this decision the same as a sport clothes maker stops advertising their products with a football player when they act inappropriately. This is both good PR and promoting a healthy environment.

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    2. DTRPG has no right to penalise professionally someone based on someone reputation. Reputation can be made and unmade. Where are the sources ? The facts ? Is Internet has now become judge, jury and executioner ?

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    3. Merlyn, here is a place you can go to see what they are talking about: http://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2017/02/a-timeline-of-zak-wars.html

      You may not agree that this constitutes "evidence", that's up to you. But at least you can see this is not something that has just appeared over night; there is indeed a long history here.

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    4. Thank you Hans, I live in France, I do not have enough information, I will check your link.

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    5. DTRPG has every right to decide who they want to be in business with. It's called free enterprise. They could drop you for any reason they want, any time they want, barring a contractual agreement to the contrary.

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  16. Zak might be someone I have many reasons to dislike, but one should have their products removed due to mob nonsense. This is setting a clear precedent and one I cannot agree. Again, even if I fucking hate that person and think he's a scumbag.

    Considering having lost a customer and I suspect more will stop, too, because it is only a matter before your website goes on a downward spiral of ideological purity.

    Now watch this comment get deleted out of cowardice.

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    1. You don't understand free enterprise then.

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    2. Except quoting free entreprise at each comment, have you something smarter to say ?

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  17. I wholeheartedly agree with your decision on this. Thank you!

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  18. I think this is a reasonable and measured response. I think it is important neither to dismiss the very serious allegations against Zak S, nor to use it as a launching point for a general pogrom against the politically unpopular.

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  19. Thanks, Steve. This decision seems pretty measured and well-considered.

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  20. Your bad actors list should include Daniel Fox and his posse who are spreading false accusations about other creators.

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  21. I've never liked anything about Zak, not his personality or his products, but these types of deplatforming decisions are dangerous and short-sighted.

    By banning Zak from doing business because simply on the basis that you've judged him to be a terrible person, you are implicitly endorsing the character of every content creator that you haven't banned.

    Now it's your job to decide the moral character of everyone who would use your platform, and if you judge poorly, you'll have to face the outrage mob without the ability to argue that you're an impartial platform.

    I hope the warm feeling you got in your tummy for being "a good person" was worth it. Buckle up and enjoy your ride on the Purity Spiral, because there's no getting off.

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    2. This is a ridiculous statement. It's like saying that when the police arrest someone they're implicitly saying that everyone they haven't arrested has never broken the law.

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    3. When the police arrest someone it's 1) because they're accused of committing an actual crime, 2) they are entitled to a fair hearing in court, and 3) the accused is legally considered innocent until proven guilty.

      The trial-by-outrage-mob has none of these safeguards. Step 1 - be accused of anything, Step 2 - believe wamen, Step 3 - de-platform for life

      De-platforming is simply privatized censorship, and it's much worse when done by a natural monopoly (which OBS is, in it's own small niche).

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  22. Zak Responds

    https://officialzsannouncements.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-statement.html?m=1

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  23. "Zak Smith has a long and well-documented history of behaviors antithetical to a healthy community. In light of recent allegations, which we find credible, we think our business and our hobby is better off without him, so we’re doing our part."

    Regarding the specific allegations against him, Zak hasn't been convicted of any crime. He hasn't even been accused of any crime.

    He has been accused, on social media, by people close to him, of some very unpleasant behaviour. Other people who know both him and the accusers have claimed - again on social media - that those accusations are false. Personally I am highly sceptical of anything I read on social media.

    Regarding Zak's character, he has often been obnoxiously self-righteous, pedantic and quarrelsome. He's made enemies and held grudges. He has encouraged people to block and boycott people he dislikes.

    However, he has also done a lot of good things for the RPG community. He has been generous with his time and ideas. He has been supportive of new writers and new ventures. He has been supportive of women and minorities.

    I don't know how much of what different people are saying is the truth, and how much is lies, subjective opinions, misinterpretations or misrememberings. Neither do you. I don't believe the evidence supports the idea that Zak is a "monster". I think you are over-reacting because you are scared of the angry mob marching through social media looking for people to lynch.

    It's your right as a business to refuse to sell someone's products. It's also my right as a customer to refuse to buy from you. I strongly disagree with your decision and I will be boycotting DriveThruRPG for one year.

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    1. Can you give me your password and your DTRPG then ? ;)

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    2. When people perform misdeeds that are not illegal or that are unlikely to result in criminal charges, ostracism is the chief recourse. You don't need a conviction to ostracize someone like that, and shouldn't.

      You don't find the allegations credible, which is weird, but okay: you can keep buying from the worst person in the games industry. But we do find them credible, and we are reacting accordingly.

      It speaks very highly of the modern RPG community that this person is getting frozen out so effectively.

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    3. I agree with you about ostracism, on an individual level. But when it's done by companies, particularly market dominant companies, it can become effectively prevent a person from engaging in legal commerce, which in a capitalistic system, is everything.

      People have already been banned from engaging in discourse in the modern public square (Facebook, Twitter), banned from using payment processors like PayPal, and even banned from using banking services from Wells Fargo, not for engaging in criminal activity, but for wrong-think. And the standards for doing so are subjective, completely arbitrary, and not subject to any regulatory oversight.

      You may like this for the time being, as the ones wielding this power agree with your Progressive world view, but if and when anti-liberal forces gain power, they won't have to change a single law, regulation, or commonly accepted social practice to send every tolerant, good-person into complete ruin. And there will be no due process, appeal, or oversight.

      Privatized Censorship is still Censorship.

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  24. Don't you dare to speak in my name :-).

    I never said "I don't find the allegations credible" I just say that this seems to be a witch hunt. wether this Zak is guilty or not, he is assumed to be guilty anyway.

    I a french, don't know the guy personnally and never heard of him before this story got out and I have heard only this by a french editor (Black Book Editions) who choose to stay neutral because here in France, we don't have the whole story and we prefer Justice does its work.

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    1. It's not a witch hunt: there's only one witch, and we found them.

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    2. There's never only one witch.

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    3. That sounds like something a witch would say.

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  25. This business has decided to take the action that produce the least harm while promoting the most good, an admirable action. If you, dear comment-posting friend, are so fond of ZS and want to see him flourish, why don't you strike a publishing deal with him? Go on, reach out to him. Support the people you want to support. Just don't poo-poo about businesses that choose not to support the people you want them to, unless you're offering to buy the company.

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    1. What if we don't like Zak in the slightest, but strongly dislike the concept of Blacklisting. What should we do then?

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  39. Hello everyone here in this forum i am so glad that i have this great opportunity to come out here and share my testimony on how Dr Isiramen was able to cure me totally from herpes disease, i have been suffering from this Disease for approximately 4 Years now, i have tried various ways to get rid of this Virus out of my body, i have also purchase for Medical treatment from my doctor but they all failed, sometime back now while i was browsing the Internet i found some good quote concerning Dr Isiramen Herbal Medicine, and how he has been using it to save souls from Different Disease including Cancer, someone also said she was been cured of herpes from his medicine, and they gave out his contact details in case anyone needs his help, i decided to contact Dr Isiramen and i told him about my herpes illness he told me not to worry that he was going to send me his herbal medicine all i was to do is to send him my personal details and also my home address so he can post the Medicine to me, actually i did all that was required by this Man, i took the medicine just as prescribe by him, he told me to go for check up in the hospital which i did and to my great surprise my Doctor told me the herpes Virus was no longer there, i even went to other hospital for better confirmation its was still the same thing, Today i am so happy that i am Negative again, Dr Isiramen has given me reasons to share tears of Joy, you can reach to Dr Isiramen on his email address at (oyimeanelisiramen@gmail.com) or call his WhatsApp number +2{34}8117963221 thanks once again DR Isiramen God bless you and your family.go to blogpost

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  40. HOW DR PERFECT ENLARGEMENT CREAM HELP ME TO ENLARGE MY PENIS YOU CAN ADD HIM UP ON WHATSAPP +1(256) 251 3614

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  41. I have been suffering from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) disease for the past one years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulating all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came on search on the internet if i could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search i saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by this Man Dr Agbonhale and she also gave the email address: dragbonhaleherbalhome@gmail.com of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so i wrote to Dr. Agbonhale telling him about my (HERPES Virus) he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as the Dr Agbonhale assured me that i have cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness or any other at all you can email:: dragbonhaleherbalhome@gmail.com or whatsApp his number on +2349073130326..

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  42. My husband and I have been married for about 7 yrs now. We were happily married with two kids, a boy and a girl. 3 months ago, I started to notice some strange behavior from him and a few weeks later I found out that my husband is seeing someone. He started coming home late from work, he hardly care about me or the kids anymore, Sometimes he goes out and doesn't even come back home for about 2-3 days. I did all I could to rectify this problem but all to no avail. I became very worried and needed help. As I was browsing through the Internet one day, I came across a website that suggested that Dr Great can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he did a spell for me. Two days later, my husband came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my family are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Great . If you need a spell caster that can cast a spell that truly works, I suggest you contact him. He will not disappoint you. This is his E-mail:

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  43. i am really happy for being a normal human being again after taking the herbal medicine of Dr Ajagbo the herbalist. i never believe that my Herpes virus can be cured again until i visit Dr Ajagbo for help, he gave me his herbal medicine that cure me after three weeks, i am really happy and i am short of words, please you all should help me thank him for what he has done for me, i am now a normal human being and i am getting married next month. please you all should contact him through his email if you are a patient of Herpes. here is his email address: drajagbookuta@gmail.com sincerely the
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  44. I still don’t know the right words to express my gratitude to this great man Dr Isibor. After been diagnosed of HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS in 2months ago, i was given so many health prescription and advice with no improvement, I totally lost hope, until i found testimonies of Great Dr Isibor online research and on Facebook, Like anybody would be, I was very skeptical about contacting him, but i later did and he opened up to me and told me what was involved and he started the remedies for my health. Thank God, i was cured from herpes by the herbal medication I received from him. I never thought that herpes can be cured, from the bottom of my heart I'm truly grateful,i pray you have long life so you can help many more people on earth with your herbal medical support, You can Email him via email drisiborspellhome@gmail.com or for easy and fast communication you can also call or add him on whats-app with this mobile number +2348107855231, one thing i love most about DR Isibor is honestly, and he is very polite with his patience, everything he told me what he did, and his herbal medicine are very affordable.

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  47. HOW I CURED MY HSV II
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  49. I have been suffering from (HERPES) disease for the last four years and had constant pain, especially in my knees. During the first year, I had faith in God that I would be healed someday.This disease started to circulate all over my body and I have been taking treatment from my doctor, a few weeks ago I came on search on the internet if I could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search I saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (Hepatitis B and Cancer) by this Man DR Amslem and she also gave the email address of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so I wrote to DR Amslem telling him about my (HERPES Virus) he told me not to worry that I was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later I started experiencing changes all over me as the DR assured me that I have cured, after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if I have been finally healed behold it was TRUE, So friends my advice is if you have such sickness or any other like HSV1,2,HPV1,2,3,CANSER HIV,COLE SORES,TOOTH AKEA,SYMPTOMS,y. you can email DR AMSLEM on( dramslem420@gmail.com sir I am indeed grateful for the help I will forever recommend you to my friends!!! with your lovely Email Address ( dramslem420@gmail.com or you can also WhatsApp him on this number +2348076595861

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